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Post Posted: 08:20pm - Jul 25,17 
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To my belief, the DNR stocks Musky in the South pool. Today I took my Mom of all people fishing. Tried for walleye(trolling) and slip bobber with no avail. Before we left, decided to throw on spinner baits for bass. Not far from the dam on the SOUTH side, she hooks into a 38 inch Musky. The Musky got entangled in the net and I hurried as fast as possible to get it out along with the hook really blasted into the corner of the mouth. Took a solid 5 min to get out and went belly up/ so I Jumped out of the boat and looks like I may have revived it. Swam off but I understand in summer, 50/50 odds. Anyway, back to topic. I thought DNR stocked on south part only. Comments welcome

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Post Posted: 10:57am - Jul 26,17 
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Nice fish! I hope it makes it.

I know they stock the main pool at Busse. I've seen and talked to the DNR guy surveying muskie with a radio tracker. It wouldn't surprise me if a fish made it over the dam in high water or someone caught it and moved it.

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Post Posted: 12:43pm - Jul 26,17 
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Your mom is throwing artificial?! And catching musky? Pretty bad ass.

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Post Posted: 10:01pm - Jul 26,17 
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Actually, we were fishing with slip bobbers with no avail and I said, you want a spinnerbait on before we leave? I put a 3/8 oz chartreuse spinner bait on for bass and she was chucking it like a pro and whomp. There is is... BTW she is 73

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Post Posted: 01:31pm - Jul 27,17 
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Actually, we were fishing with slip bobbers with no avail and I said, you want a spinnerbait on before we leave? I put a 3/8 oz chartreuse spinner bait on for bass and she was chucking it like a pro and whomp. There is is... BTW she is 73


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Post Posted: 07:22am - Jul 28,17 
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Musky Jim wrote:
... The Musky got entangled in the net and I hurried as fast as possible to get it out along with the hook really blasted into the corner of the mouth. Took a solid 5 min to get out and went belly up/ so I Jumped out of the boat and looks like I may have revived it. Swam off but I understand in summer, 50/50 odds...

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I'm wondering what the issues were with removing the fish from the net. Assuming you had a muskie net on board ( at least large enough to net a 38") and going by your moniker, did you not have 'bogas' , pliers and cuttters on board? Five minutes in a net in the water should not be an issue. If she cranked it in fast ( in a minute or less) and the fish was in the net, in the water the whole time , the fish should not " go belly up" nor take long to revive.
If it was a prolonged fight and the fish was boated the whole time you were removing hooks and such that fish has most likely built up enough lactic acid that it swims no more, unfortunately.

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Post Posted: 09:00pm - Aug 4,17 
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Fish and lure tangled in net with lure and obviously you know that a fish can do this in warm water after a fight. Bottom line fish made it and as we all know this happens with warmer summer water(belly up from lactic acid). It was not a quick fight

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Post Posted: 09:07am - Aug 5,17 
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Even if the muskie died I'm sure there's more in there, and I mean what can ya really do about it? Either way she got a nice fish and did a nice job, that can be a hard body of water to fish sometimes

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Post Posted: 09:39am - Aug 5,17 
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harborman00 wrote:
Even if the muskie died I'm sure there's more in there, and I mean what can ya really do about it? ...

Bad rationale.
But to answer your question, simple;
I am having a bit of a hard time understanding exactly what happened on the boat, so I will guess at the information I have.
For the future, for anyone who hooks into a muskie with walleye or bass gear , you want to hammer down the drag and either drag that beauty to the boat ,hoping your gear holds and you don't get a break off, or , what will most likely happen is you get a break off...and the nice 38" gets to be caught by someone else.

If there is a muskie sized net on the boat and the goal is to land the fish and return it back in a healthy state , then another answer to " what can you do about it " is you again drag her in as fast as possible. Next you net the fish, *** keeping it in the water ***, outside the gunnels of the boat. The fish is then controlled by something along the lines of a Boga or the like so you can get the hooks out and untangle any mess . All the time the fish is in the water and only had a short fight.
Next, if you want pics, make it quick and revive the fish that has only been out of the water a very short period of time and only had a very short fight and thus has no lactic acid build up to speak of.

That pretty much sums up what we can do to make sure these alphas live to fight another day.
Either break them off if you are not prepared and simply 'luck' into one on light gear or be prepared with correct line ,leader, rod ,reel, net, pliers, Bogas and cutters. A bump board to keep them off the carpet when measuring is nice also, but not a must.


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Post Posted: 09:44am - Aug 5,17 
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BTW, over 90% of muskies landed are caught on gear not made for muskie by people not targeting muskie.
Be prepared for purposeful break-offs, if you care about the health of the fish over boating it at any cost.

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Post Posted: 10:22am - Aug 5,17 
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Musky Baits wrote:
BTW, over 90% of muskies landed are caught on gear not made for muskie by people not targeting muskie.
Be prepared for purposeful break-offs, if you care about the health of the fish over boating it at any cost.


You keep spewing this like it's fact. ..what's your source for this stat please? Do you really think a fish swimming around with a spinnerbait lodged in its lip dragging yards of line is better off? I agree with gearing up to the species targeted, but incidental catches happen and telling people to break off when they hook something bigger than they're geared for is a bit much.

Congrats to mom on what very well could be a fish of a lifetime...from Bussee no less!

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Post Posted: 11:01am - Aug 5,17 
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tinyfisher wrote:
Musky Baits wrote:
BTW, over 90% of muskies landed are caught on gear not made for muskie by people not targeting muskie.
Be prepared for purposeful break-offs, if you care about the health of the fish over boating it at any cost.


You keep spewing this like it's fact. ..what's your source for this stat please? Do you really think a fish swimming around with a spinnerbait lodged in its lip dragging yards of line is better off? I agree with gearing up to the species targeted, but incidental catches happen and telling people to break off when they hook something bigger than they're geared for is a bit much.

Congrats to mom on what very well could be a fish of a lifetime...from Bussee no less!

My source is the DNR and many other reports and studies. If you'd like/don't trust my "spewing" I can certainly take the time the cite them.
Yes, I really believe that a break/cut off is better than killing it due to lactic acid build up, something salmonid targeters do not take into account enough when they do hook a ski.
You think a purposeful break off is a bit much. I know by study that the chances of survival are better with a fish that has a hook in its head ( for only a temporary amount of time before it works or rusts its way out) as opposed to one that has been battled to death, let alone one that has beeen battled to death and then pulled from the water fOr long lengths of time. I believe it was VMC that did a recentstudy by implating hooks in fish heads and other parts of the digestive tract and the survival rate was huge. Most all survived the hook passing through their systems or eventually opening the hole big enough to fall out and or rust out. Most fell out.
Again, if anything I am stating sounds hyperbolic in any way , I can and will cite plenty of studies, when I get a bit more time. I suggest people interested look up " latent mortality".
I write this to inform others of what many think are sound/best tactics for survival of an esox , when you hook a big esox on light gear, which happens often. Once for me already this year ( three last year and two the year before...) on ML 6'6" bass gear .Jackal Poison Adrena and Megabass Hedghog Zonda finesse with the finesse spool and ten pound line, no leader. Self netting of the 35" took less than a minute to boat and de-hook, in the water.

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Post Posted: 12:07pm - Aug 7,17 
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Here is one study that was done solely on pike.
The bottom line was that hooks took anywhere from 24-48 hours on average to work their way out of the head. A fish need not even eat in a 48 hour time period, but some pike which were embedded were caught again the next day ...most all survived. This is not the VMC study I mentioned that also confirms my points, but if needed I can find that one also.
They also state that it is not suggested to simply always leave a hook in the head, but rather weigh the fish' safety and understand that a break off will most likely not kill the fish.
Lactic acid from long drawn out battles kills esox.

https://www.saltstrong.com/articles/fis ... shs-mouth/

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Post Posted: 07:19pm - Aug 12,17 
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Musky Baits wrote:
harborman00 wrote:
Even if the muskie died I'm sure there's more in there, and I mean what can ya really do about it? ...

Bad rationale.
But to answer your question, simple;
I am having a bit of a hard time understanding exactly what happened on the boat, so I will guess at the information I have.
For the future, for anyone who hooks into a muskie with walleye or bass gear , you want to hammer down the drag and either drag that beauty to the boat ,hoping your gear holds and you don't get a break off, or , what will most likely happen is you get a break off...and the nice 38" gets to be caught by someone else.

If there is a muskie sized net on the boat and the goal is to land the fish and return it back in a healthy state , then another answer to " what can you do about it " is you again drag her in as fast as possible. Next you net the fish, *** keeping it in the water ***, outside the gunnels of the boat. The fish is then controlled by something along the lines of a Boga or the like so you can get the hooks out and untangle any mess . All the time the fish is in the water and only had a short fight.
Next, if you want pics, make it quick and revive the fish that has only been out of the water a very short period of time and only had a very short fight and thus has no lactic acid build up to speak of.

That pretty much sums up what we can do to make sure these alphas live to fight another day.
Either break them off if you are not prepared and simply 'luck' into one on light gear or be prepared with correct line ,leader, rod ,reel, net, pliers, Bogas and cutters. A bump board to keep them off the carpet when measuring is nice also, but not a must.

Amen brother!

Tell people this every day and just get blank stares from people that are too stupid, lazy, and/or cheap to go Musky fishing with the appropriate gear...

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Post Posted: 09:51am - Aug 13,17 
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The Great One wrote:
Musky Baits wrote:
harborman00 wrote:
Even if the muskie died I'm sure there's more in there, and I mean what can ya really do about it? ...

Bad rationale.
But to answer your question, simple;
I am having a bit of a hard time understanding exactly what happened on the boat, so I will guess at the information I have.
For the future, for anyone who hooks into a muskie with walleye or bass gear , you want to hammer down the drag and either drag that beauty to the boat ,hoping your gear holds and you don't get a break off, or , what will most likely happen is you get a break off...and the nice 38" gets to be caught by someone else.

If there is a muskie sized net on the boat and the goal is to land the fish and return it back in a healthy state , then another answer to " what can you do about it " is you again drag her in as fast as possible. Next you net the fish, *** keeping it in the water ***, outside the gunnels of the boat. The fish is then controlled by something along the lines of a Boga or the like so you can get the hooks out and untangle any mess . All the time the fish is in the water and only had a short fight.
Next, if you want pics, make it quick and revive the fish that has only been out of the water a very short period of time and only had a very short fight and thus has no lactic acid build up to speak of.

That pretty much sums up what we can do to make sure these alphas live to fight another day.
Either break them off if you are not prepared and simply 'luck' into one on light gear or be prepared with correct line ,leader, rod ,reel, net, pliers, Bogas and cutters. A bump board to keep them off the carpet when measuring is nice also, but not a must.

Amen brother!

Tell people this every day and just get blank stares from people that are too stupid, lazy, and/or cheap to go Musky fishing with the appropriate gear...


It's not my intent to dog on anybody for hooking into a muskie and not having all the right tools, especially when they were not attempting nor expecting to hook into a muskie.
It is my intent to explain what to do when it happens, and to point out that this happens much more often than many out there may think.
These are apex predators that can live almost 20 years. That 38" was most likely 8-10 years old and if it lived out it's full life it may have lived another 8-10 years...
There is a lot of talk and traffic on this site revolving around what is best for the salmonids in Lake Michigan. There is little to no talk here about what many consider the top trophy and most prized fish swimming fresh water. And safety of the muskie should always be the goal of any angler who hooks into one , be it on purpose or 'lucky' event.
So, to once again throw out my main point , if you can horse a muskie to the boat , do so.
If you can not properly horse it in and de-hook it in the water in the middle of the summer a break off or cut off is the best way to ensure the safety of the fish.

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Post Posted: 07:06pm - Aug 20,17 
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I really did not intend for the post to be a "debate" on Musky catch and release. She caught the Musky on Bass tackle as many Musky are caught this way. Water temps were 75 and chances are the Musky survived. I did call the DNR and the fish was caught on the south pool(which they do not stock). DNR has had a few reports of musky caught on south pool and they make it over the damn on high water. If you guys want to start a debate on Musky catch and release, start a thread but thanks for the input.

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Post Posted: 07:59pm - Aug 20,17 
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Musky Jim wrote:
I really did not intend for the post to be a "debate" on Musky catch and release. She caught the Musky on Bass tackle as many Musky are caught this way...

I'm not sure where the debate is.
You initially have the fish a 50/50 chance s of survival. I was not there and do not know all the facts so I can not speculate. But you kind of concradict yourself just now in sawing " Chances are it survived".
But, other than that , one person thought that " it was a bit much" to force a break off. And then I posted a scientific article on how surprisingly well esox survive hooks in them.
I have already defended my horse them in tactic .
I hope she swims right now. If she does or does not I am simply offering what's best the next time a muskie is caught on bass gear, and it'll be soon. Happens all the time.

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