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Post Posted: 08:20pm - May 30,18 
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:drink Been very busy as of late....weather has been very weird this spring...seems to be stable right now but who knows what the near future will give us... :shock between Evergreen and Shab they are very close as far as the spawn goes...I would guess we are about in the middle of things on both lakes....lots of very dark males and most females are still very full of eggs...The ones we clean anyway....
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Post Posted: 08:07pm - Jun 2,18 
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Any redears?

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Post Posted: 05:11pm - Jun 3,18 
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:drink Only mine from the lack of sunscreen :bigyuck

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Post Posted: 07:17pm - Jun 3,18 
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Nice job bud!

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Post Posted: 07:35pm - Jun 3,18 
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Mighty impressive stringer ya got there.

Wish I could catch those specs like that.

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Post Posted: 09:17am - Jun 5,18 
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:drink Hey WSJ.... look close at the last photo... think we have him hooked....out on the ice last season and now he's wackin and stackin... of course he's doing it in the name of science... running the new panoptics to help hunt slabs....think Mike is better at it than he lets on

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Post Posted: 09:20am - Jun 5,18 
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:drink Hey John.... we need to sit down and chat with a good map in front of us... that lake your on has a few hidden gems ... I've been told... 8)~

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Post Posted: 06:39pm - Jun 5,18 
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Yes I knew Mike would be good at the game. Once he experienced those flying pigs, ya just never know what could happen. I hope one day we can kidnap him into a heated shack for some real fishing fun. I would even bring my underwater TV for him to watch since he shows a fondness of the electronics.

Nice going Jim,

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Post Posted: 07:33am - Jun 7,18 
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I hope one day we can kidnap him into a heated shack for some real fishing fun. I would even bring my underwater TV for him to watch since he shows a fondness of the electronics.



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Have an old blk/white camera and lots of recordings.
Really doesn't help on fish/structure location due to time.
Nice to look at but too time consuming, especially if your drilling holes.


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of course he's doing it in the name of science... running the new panoptics to help hunt slabs....think Mike is better at it than he lets on


Yeah, I admit the hunt combined with the tech kinda of trips my trigger.

So in the interest of edification, I will ask a question.

In the video, why does Jim not see the fish grab his jig on his flasher when I yell the "he's got it" and Jim instantly sets the hook on the fish and brings it to the surface?

In other words, why did I see it at 17' away and he did not see it directly over the fish? :twisted:

Hint: Think limitations of 2D sonar :winker

Winner gets a free ice fishing prize. 8)~

I included a link to the video and the original R&D ice post earlier this year.





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Post Posted: 12:46pm - Jun 9,18 
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I'll take a stab at it, you have a directional unit but his is only doen looking.
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Post Posted: 11:21pm - Jun 9,18 
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Post Posted: 06:07am - Jun 10,18 
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I'll take a stab at it, you have a directional unit but his is only doen looking.


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Close.
The fact that you mentioned "down" shows your on the right track.

It is called the dead zone. All 2D sonar can have a dead zone, depending on bottom terrain. A perfectly flat bottom has no dead zone.

The floor/bottom shown on the graph will be the first sonar cone contact and everything below that contact point maybe covered with bottom thickness on screen, so no fish arches show.

Below is an example of the sonar cones at 200khz and 77khz. Arrows instead of arches.
The tighter the cone angle, the less fish arches are shown but shows an arch directly below transducer.


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Notice on the 77khz(outer cone) that first contact is 20 ft and last contact is 40 ft.
The graph shows a 20ft thick bottom.
Draw a horizontal line from the 20ft contact depth and you can see 1 fish arch and all the other arches are below in the dead zone (thick bottom).

Now look at the 200khz(inner cone) and draw a horizontal line form the 25ft contact depth.
Once again only 1 fish arch.
Thinner cone and bottom, but the 2nd arch is the dead zone between 25 and 30ft.



The next pic is the example of the dead zone Jim ran into.
The ice fishing guys use narrow sonar cones, 8-20 degrees as far as I can tell. Jim said the flasher was set to 20 degrees
Sitting right on top of the structure, the first sonar contact was the edge of the structure, creating a false bottom and a small dead zone.
When we compared depths between units, his flasher told him bottom was approx. 1.5-3.0 ft higher than it really was.

I kept telling him to drop the bait further and he said that he was on the bottom already and I kept telling him he was not.


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Now watch the first video again and pay attention to the lower left side of the structure, where the fish comes from and smacks his bait. :winker
Panoptics has no dead zone, no matter if it is in Live forwardview or Live downview mode.


Fishinh maniac wins the ice fishing prize, a free 4mm tungsten jig, provided by the Crappie Professor.
Ask him for the one he used in the video.
Good bait. :twisted:

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Post Posted: 08:20am - Jun 10,18 
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Jim Kopjo is the Crappie Professor and Mike F.Is the Panoptix professor.When I am with them they hardly fish, all they do is study their sonar screens and tell each other different numbers and directions. They are truly students of the game and take every possible thing into consideration before setting up. I wouldnt know how to turn the panoptix unit on let alone interpret what Im seeing but mike and jim have it down to a science. Mike has been using it for salmon on lake michigan and walleye on erie but he is really into his own finding crappie structure and watching the fish come out and hit the bait.For me its like sitting in a engineering class watching what they do and how they explain things.

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Post Posted: 09:29am - Jun 10,18 
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Awesome explanation!! I fish to many "dead zones" even without electronics.

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Post Posted: 07:21am - Jun 11,18 
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I wouldnt know how to turn the panoptix unit on let alone interpret what Im seeing


Well Bill, it looks like they just fixed that little problem for you.
Announced today.
https://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/ ... my_boy.gif


Scroll down and click on the Livescope forward screen on the Garmin link below.
Looks like its time to go shopping again.
Darn it.



https://explore.garmin.com/en-US/panoptix/#

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Post Posted: 08:20am - Jun 11,18 
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will it work with your unit

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Post Posted: 08:37am - Jun 11,18 
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will it work with your unit


Of course not, I should be so lucky.

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Post Posted: 08:51am - Jun 11,18 
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Like Striper 01 said.. two terrific fishing gurus. Also like Fishing Maniac said... I'm always fishing the dead zone.... :cuss

As for the new Panoptics, Mike.... still has buttons and touchy thingies. I'll simply wait for the new version of "Panoptic Super Sonar 3D Sunglasses in Living Color "..... :wink:

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Post Posted: 07:38pm - Jun 12,18 
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Bubba,
Let me know when those glasses come in, just might have to get some of those.


MikeF,
Your a good teacher on the new electronics for sure. I use on the ice the camera and sonar so I can see the dead zone your describing, thanks for educating all of us.

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